--- On Tue, 7/1/08, AMA <andalibmed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi G,
> Ce qui nous réuni c'est cette admiration et cet > "amour" pour cette > merveilleuse femme qu'était Nefertiti (peut-étre pas > pour les mêmes > raisons).
> Ce qui nous sépare, à mon grand regret, c'est un > gouffre de > connaissance et de savoir.
You say that what separates us is the gap of knowledge. But in the light of my allegory, once one the beach we are more united then separated. We are united by the common contemplation of the Ocean and by the very fact of playing with the shells and separated only by different shells we use. Once that recognized, it becomes easy for you to show and describe to me your shells and vice versa.
And we may talk about the Ocean without dissecting it, through art. Besides the common admiration of Nefertiti we are doubtless united by that of the French literature, uncontested world leader in the 19th and in the first half of the 20th century. We might examine why it went down the drain afterwards. But in that period it had indubitably what that great critic Mr. Clutterbuck called ... Hell, forgot the word. Forget my name next. Had sonething to do with "journey"... Here, I've got it: It had journey-say-quar.
When I say that a gap of knowledge separates us, you notice that I'm
on the wrong shore of the ocean.
I wouldn't say that we're on the same beach but rather that each of us
is on a different side of that ocean.
Anyway, I agree with your credo and, if you let me, I make it mine
too.
I'm about 30 YO and I feel that there is so much to know and very few
time to deal with.
I learned english by my own and tried to read as much as I could.
Arabic and french are my "natural" languages but I'm more fluent in
Voltaire's one.
Now, when I read all these "full of knowledge" posts, especially yours
(with your famous quotation: findgeorges), I'm really impressed. I
guess that being born in the wrong side of the ocean
makes a kind of natural selection in the access to knowledge. I don't
care about what I was given and I try to go further and to enlarge the
realm of my modest knowledge. Furthermore, some people, where educated
in such a social context that sculpts their mind's structure and
limits the realm of their though, it is the case for people on my
country cos we're all have been raised in the respect of the 3
religions, the prophets, angels/evil, destiny and god. (refering
to :But it is equally absurd to infer, in keeping with religions,
the details of the Marvelous, to shut It in a Shell and to dissect It
as if It were an oyster.)
This kind of education imposes a very special framework to the mind
and it's hard to get out of it and to criticise it "from outside".
This took me about three years of reading and deep thinking. Now that
I can be "neutral" I hope that my mind will flow as that ocean
conveying shells.
To be completely sincere you sometimes have ideas that I can hardly
accept, but their yours and I respect them. I also think sometimes
that your life must be very hard to live cos that knowledge stops you
from living intuitively (I guess). More, your huge knowledge leads you
to an over-analyse of everything. Then, wether you're right or wrong,
life loses that special "magic touch". Once everything is explanated,
and its origine identified, nothing can still be a wonderful
manifestation of nature. Things become rational, material
manifestations of the intellect, controled. Life would be boring.
Thank you G for showing me (us) how far that human brain can go. Je
suis sincére Georges, merci.
On Jul 3, 5:05 pm, Georges Metanomski <zg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, AMA <andalibmed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi G,
> > Ce qui nous réuni c'est cette admiration et cet
> > "amour" pour cette
> > merveilleuse femme qu'était Nefertiti (peut-étre pas
> > pour les mêmes
> > raisons).
> > Ce qui nous sépare, à mon grand regret, c'est un
> > gouffre de
> > connaissance et de savoir.
> You say that what separates us is the gap of knowledge.
> But in the light of my allegory, once one the beach we
> are more united then separated. We are united by the
> common contemplation of the Ocean and by the very fact of
> playing with the shells and separated only by different
> shells we use. Once that recognized, it becomes easy for
> you to show and describe to me your shells and
> vice versa.
> And we may talk about the Ocean without dissecting it,
> through art. Besides the common admiration of Nefertiti
> we are doubtless united by that of the French
> literature, uncontested world leader in the 19th and in
> the first half of the 20th century. We might examine
> why it went down the drain afterwards. But in that period
> it had indubitably what that great critic Mr.
> Clutterbuck called ... Hell, forgot the word. Forget my
> name next. Had sonething to do with "journey"...
> Here, I've got it: It had journey-say-quar.
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, AMA <andalibmed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear G,
> When I say that a gap of knowledge separates us, you notice > that I'm > on the wrong shore of the ocean.
================= G: That makes me think about British invasion lorries with notices over driver's place: "remember that on the continent they drive on the wrong side of the road". Silly insularity. There is no "wrong" side of the road and no "wrong" shore. =================
> I wouldn't say that we're on the same beach but > rather that each of us > is on a different side of that ocean.
================= G: This Ocean has no sides and just a single island shore. We are all there, like in the Yellow Submarine, only most shut themselves in some shell and pigheadedly refuse to see anything without. =================
> Anyway, I agree with your credo and, if you let me, I make > it mine > too.
> I'm about 30 YO and I feel that there is so much to > know and very few > time to deal with.
> I learned english by my own and tried to read as much as I > could. > Arabic and french are my "natural" languages but > I'm more fluent in > Voltaire's one.
> Now, when I read all these "full of knowledge" > posts, especially yours > (with your famous quotation: findgeorges), I'm really > impressed. I > guess that being born in the wrong side of the ocean
> makes a kind of natural selection in the access to > knowledge. I don't > care about what I was given and I try to go further and to > enlarge the > realm of my modest knowledge. Furthermore, some people, > where educated > in such a social context that sculpts their mind's > structure and > limits the realm of their though, it is the case for people > on my > country cos we're all have been raised in the respect > of the 3 > religions, the prophets, angels/evil, destiny and god. > (refering > to :But it is equally absurd to infer, in keeping with > religions, > the details of the Marvelous, to shut It in a Shell and to > dissect It > as if It were an oyster.)
> This kind of education imposes a very special framework to > the mind > and it's hard to get out of it and to criticise it > "from outside". > This took me about three years of reading and deep > thinking. Now that > I can be "neutral" I hope that my mind will flow > as that ocean > conveying shells.
================ G: 1.Your country. It sounds like Algeria, in which case I know it, at least it's desert aspect from Ouargla and Guardaia, till Hoggart, for having worked nearly a year in La Maison Verte de Hassi Messaoud and doing a bit of prospection. I know also les Cedres du Liban, Sinai and of course la Cisjordanie.
2.Education. You seem to value the self-education. I could not agree more. I went never to any school, there were of course none in Warsaw Ghetto, nor at the "Polish" side of occupied Poland. When Infeld accepted me to his branch of Einstein's team, he did not even ask if I had any diploma and did it upon a simple interview. Afterwards he told me, that I had more chances to develop creativity than other team members who brought with them incomparably larger load of formal education: "you have much less to forget, before you learn to think". IMO, indeed, you learn to think by braking out of the stone hard shell of the formal education. BTW, we had two Jesuits in the team and I asked them how they harmonize faith with science. They told me the Newton's allegory and said that the Marvelous being inaccessible directly, but engendering the shells, the best way of venerating It leads through studying the marvels of science. Religion fighting science was for them blasphemous and science refusing the Marvelous - blind. ================
> To be completely sincere you sometimes have ideas that I > can hardly > accept, but their yours and I respect them. I also think > sometimes > that your life must be very hard to live cos that knowledge > stops you > from living intuitively (I guess).
================ G: Misunderstanding, easy to overcome when we better know each other.
-My Weltanschauung sees Reason standing dialectically on two legs, 1.Abstraction and Logic, 2.Imagination and Intuition.
-My praxis deals with both. On the intuitive side I do things like composing, arranging and playing blues in local cabarets, training people of all Martial Arts in my Zen Combat and last, but not least - writing fiction. You will know me better after having read some of my short stories from http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/LITERATURE/ starting perhaps with "H..." .
Hi G,
I was on a trip around the country so that I couldn't get connected.
My posts are actually sent from the magnificent Marrakesh, ancient
capital city of the Almoravides, now a crap city in the Alaouite's
Kingdom. Anyway the answer you given was one of the three possible
choices.
I'm wondering how you can know Algeria so well. Did you have to make
some experiments in the Sahara?
"Religion fighting science was for
them blasphemous and science refusing the Marvelous -
blind. "
This is also the case here. Peolple are always trying to justify some
natural phenomenon by something written in the Sacred Book. We have an
expression that describes the "obvious links" between natural
phenomenon, the explanation in science, the Surat '"verse" in the
Book, we call it "Making science impuissant". But the point is that
the explanation (or interpretation) of the Bool always comes after (in
time) the scientifical dicoveries. It's just like the Nostradamus
book, it's interpretation can always lead you to a right answer.
Anyway, science is a way for us to get on keep the control on our
"destiny", religion will always be here to fill some gaps and to get
the control on weak minds.
Cheers,
On Jul 4, 9:38 am, Georges Metanomski <zg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- On Fri, 7/4/08, AMA <andalibmed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear G,
> > When I say that a gap of knowledge separates us, you notice
> > that I'm
> > on the wrong shore of the ocean.
> =================
> G:
> That makes me think about British invasion lorries with
> notices over driver's place: "remember that on the
> continent they drive on the wrong side of the road".
> Silly insularity. There is no "wrong" side of the road
> and no "wrong" shore.
> =================
> > I wouldn't say that we're on the same beach but
> > rather that each of us
> > is on a different side of that ocean.
> =================
> G:
> This Ocean has no sides and just a single island shore.
> We are all there, like in the Yellow Submarine, only
> most shut themselves in some shell and pigheadedly
> refuse to see anything without.
> =================
> > Anyway, I agree with your credo and, if you let me, I make
> > it mine
> > too.
> > I'm about 30 YO and I feel that there is so much to
> > know and very few
> > time to deal with.
> > I learned english by my own and tried to read as much as I
> > could.
> > Arabic and french are my "natural" languages but
> > I'm more fluent in
> > Voltaire's one.
> > Now, when I read all these "full of knowledge"
> > posts, especially yours
> > (with your famous quotation: findgeorges), I'm really
> > impressed. I
> > guess that being born in the wrong side of the ocean
> > makes a kind of natural selection in the access to
> > knowledge. I don't
> > care about what I was given and I try to go further and to
> > enlarge the
> > realm of my modest knowledge. Furthermore, some people,
> > where educated
> > in such a social context that sculpts their mind's
> > structure and
> > limits the realm of their though, it is the case for people
> > on my
> > country cos we're all have been raised in the respect
> > of the 3
> > religions, the prophets, angels/evil, destiny and god.
> > (refering
> > to :But it is equally absurd to infer, in keeping with
> > religions,
> > the details of the Marvelous, to shut It in a Shell and to
> > dissect It
> > as if It were an oyster.)
> > This kind of education imposes a very special framework to
> > the mind
> > and it's hard to get out of it and to criticise it
> > "from outside".
> > This took me about three years of reading and deep
> > thinking. Now that
> > I can be "neutral" I hope that my mind will flow
> > as that ocean
> > conveying shells.
> ================
> G:
> 1.Your country. It sounds like Algeria, in which case I
> know it, at least it's desert aspect from Ouargla and
> Guardaia, till Hoggart, for having worked nearly a year
> in La Maison Verte de Hassi Messaoud and doing a bit of
> prospection. I know also les Cedres du Liban, Sinai and
> of course la Cisjordanie.
> 2.Education. You seem to value the self-education. I could
> not agree more. I went never to any school, there were
> of course none in Warsaw Ghetto, nor at the "Polish"
> side of occupied Poland. When Infeld accepted me to his
> branch of Einstein's team, he did not even ask if I had
> any diploma and did it upon a simple interview. Afterwards
> he told me, that I had more chances to develop creativity
> than other team members who brought with them incomparably
> larger load of formal education: "you have much less to
> forget, before you learn to think".
> IMO, indeed, you learn to think by braking out of the
> stone hard shell of the formal education.
> BTW, we had two Jesuits in the team and I asked them
> how they harmonize faith with science. They told me the
> Newton's allegory and said that the Marvelous being
> inaccessible directly, but engendering the shells,
> the best way of venerating It leads through studying the
> marvels of science. Religion fighting science was for
> them blasphemous and science refusing the Marvelous -
> blind.
> ================
> > To be completely sincere you sometimes have ideas that I
> > can hardly
> > accept, but their yours and I respect them. I also think
> > sometimes
> > that your life must be very hard to live cos that knowledge
> > stops you
> > from living intuitively (I guess).
> ================
> G:
> Misunderstanding, easy to overcome when we better know
> each other.
> -My Weltanschauung sees Reason standing dialectically on
> two legs,
> 1.Abstraction and Logic,
> 2.Imagination and Intuition.
> -My praxis deals with both. On the intuitive side I do
> things like composing, arranging and playing blues in
> local cabarets, training people of all Martial Arts in
> my Zen Combat and last, but not least - writing fiction.
> You will know me better after having read some of my
> short stories fromhttp://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/LITERATURE/ > starting perhaps with "H..." .
