On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:50 AM, dead kennedy <dead.kenne...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> isnt it holey bleeding obvious ?
LMAO!
> On 1 Jul, 07:22, Max <a...@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > I'd love to hear the opinions by Omprem, Keith et al on this > > phenomenon?
-- ------------------------------------------------ Trance Gemini Irrationally held "truths" may be more harmful than reasoned errors. -- Thomas Henry Huxley
I am inclined to think of the stigmata as more of a psychological phenomenon than otherwise. I suppose it is possible that a an entirely spiritual explanation may exist in the rarest of cases, but I would not be surprised if it turned out to be more of a mental condition causing a physical phenomenon. While I am a theist and a liberal Christian I desire to embrace truth even at the cost of discarding the cherished beliefs of other believers. It is true that mental hospitals have a high population of persons who are obsessed with two things, religion and sex. While that in no way detracts from the reality of God, or of miracles, I think it is clear that there is room for explanations other than genuine miracles.
> I am inclined to think of the stigmata as more of a psychological phenomenon
> than otherwise. I suppose it is possible that a an entirely spiritual
> explanation may exist in the rarest of cases, but I would not be surprised
> if it turned out to be more of a mental condition causing a physical
> phenomenon. While I am a theist and a liberal Christian I desire to embrace
> truth even at the cost of discarding the cherished beliefs of other
> believers. It is true that mental hospitals have a high population of
> persons who are obsessed with two things, religion and sex. While that in no
> way detracts from the reality of God, or of miracles, I think it is clear
> that there is room for explanations other than genuine miracles.
Belief in a higher being has helped many people. Belief is even correlated to a higher degree of happiness and emotional adjustment. Alcoholics who have accepted the concept of a Supreme Being have found that to be an effective means to continue living productive lives without the use of alcohol. There are atheists who are crazy. Methinks they must be the loneliest ones of all.
> And if anyone should know about mental conditions...
> On Jul 1, 9:47 am, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am inclined to think of the stigmata as more of a psychological > phenomenon > > than otherwise. I suppose it is possible that an entirely spiritual > > explanation may exist in the rarest of cases, but I would not be > surprised > > if it turned out to be more of a mental condition causing a physical > > phenomenon. While I am a theist and a liberal Christian I desire to > embrace > > truth even at the cost of discarding the cherished beliefs of other > > believers. It is true that mental hospitals have a high population of > > persons who are obsessed with two things, religion and sex. While that in > no > > way detracts from the reality of God, or of miracles, I think it is clear > > that there is room for explanations other than genuine miracles.
> Belief in a higher being has helped many people. Belief is even correlated
> to a higher degree of happiness and emotional adjustment. Alcoholics who
> have accepted the concept of a Supreme Being have found that to be
> an effective means to continue living productive lives without the use of
> alcohol. There are atheists who are crazy. Methinks they must be the
> loneliest ones of all.
> > And if anyone should know about mental conditions...
> > On Jul 1, 9:47 am, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am inclined to think of the stigmata as more of a psychological
> > phenomenon
> > > than otherwise. I suppose it is possible that an entirely spiritual
> > > explanation may exist in the rarest of cases, but I would not be
> > surprised
> > > if it turned out to be more of a mental condition causing a physical
> > > phenomenon. While I am a theist and a liberal Christian I desire to
> > embrace
> > > truth even at the cost of discarding the cherished beliefs of other
> > > believers. It is true that mental hospitals have a high population of
> > > persons who are obsessed with two things, religion and sex. While that in
> > no
> > > way detracts from the reality of God, or of miracles, I think it is clear
> > > that there is room for explanations other than genuine miracles.
On Jun 30, 11:22 pm, Max <a...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> I'd love to hear the opinions by Omprem, Keith et al on this
> phenomenon?
The use of the word Phenomenon , should be used in the sense of
Kantianism. a thing as it appears to and is constructed by the mind,
as distinguished from a noumenon, or thing-in-itself.
> We may be lonely, but at least we're not talking to our imaginary > friends to fill in the dead spots.
> On Jul 1, 10:50 am, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Belief in a higher being has helped many people. Belief is even > correlated > > to a higher degree of happiness and emotional adjustment. Alcoholics who > > have accepted the concept of a Supreme Being have found that to be > > an effective means to continue living productive lives without the use of > > alcohol. There are atheists who are crazy. Methinks they must be the > > loneliest ones of all.
> > On 7/1/08, trog69 <tom.tro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > And if anyone should know about mental conditions...
> > > On Jul 1, 9:47 am, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I am inclined to think of the stigmata as more of a psychological > > > phenomenon > > > > than otherwise. I suppose it is possible that an entirely spiritual > > > > explanation may exist in the rarest of cases, but I would not be > > > surprised > > > > if it turned out to be more of a mental condition causing a physical > > > > phenomenon. While I am a theist and a liberal Christian I desire to > > > embrace > > > > truth even at the cost of discarding the cherished beliefs of other > > > > believers. It is true that mental hospitals have a high population of > > > > persons who are obsessed with two things, religion and sex. While > that in > > > no > > > > way detracts from the reality of God, or of miracles, I think it is > clear > > > > that there is room for explanations other than genuine miracles.
> > > > On 7/1/08, Max <a...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > I'd love to hear the opinions by Omprem, Keith et al on this > > > > > phenomenon?
> > > > -- > > > > Ambassador From Hell > > > > All rights reserved
> > -- > > Ambassador From Hell > > All rights reserved
Yep, thanks for that Keith. I also have been checking out some info on
neurotheology. Now I'm no expert on this new 'discipline' however
there appears to be some evidence to suggest that humanity's
predisposition towards a 'God belief' may not necessarily be 100%
attributed to factors socialisation, but in fact may have some basis
in biology.
I'll leave it at that for the minute, however for what it's worth,
here's an interesting article I found that gives cause for thought.
> Belief in a higher being has helped many people. Belief is even correlated
> to a higher degree of happiness and emotional adjustment. Alcoholics who
> have accepted the concept of a Supreme Being have found that to be
> an effective means to continue living productive lives without the use of
> alcohol. There are atheists who are crazy. Methinks they must be the
> loneliest ones of all.
> > And if anyone should know about mental conditions...
> > On Jul 1, 9:47 am, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am inclined to think of the stigmata as more of a psychological
> > phenomenon
> > > than otherwise. I suppose it is possible that an entirely spiritual
> > > explanation may exist in the rarest of cases, but I would not be
> > surprised
> > > if it turned out to be more of a mental condition causing a physical
> > > phenomenon. While I am a theist and a liberal Christian I desire to
> > embrace
> > > truth even at the cost of discarding the cherished beliefs of other
> > > believers. It is true that mental hospitals have a high population of
> > > persons who are obsessed with two things, religion and sex. While that in
> > no
> > > way detracts from the reality of God, or of miracles, I think it is clear
> > > that there is room for explanations other than genuine miracles.
> On Jun 30, 11:22 pm, Max <a...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > I'd love to hear the opinions by Omprem, Keith et al on this
> > phenomenon?
> The use of the word Phenomenon , should be used in the sense of
> Kantianism. a thing as it appears to and is constructed by the mind,
> as distinguished from a noumenon, or thing-in-itself.
